we committed to avoiding the fiscal cliff. itould be economically devastated on america. we have heard the numbers, 700,000 jobs lost estimated and a double dip recession. we don't want that for america. anyone wants that for america. it started by us putting people ahead of politics. i believe that republicans and democrats, we can work this out, we need to come to the table, start the "new york times"es, -- start the negotiations, we put tax revenue on the table as well as the speeding cuts, and it needs to be, it needs to include both. >>neil: so if you don't hear and it has to be specific, spending cuts, not promised cuts, if you don't hear that, no deal? >>guest: that is connect. we believe, we are in the midst of a debt crisis. it needs to be, we need to be honest about the fact we cannot raise taxes, it needs to include the spending cuts. the president, even just recently, last week, was talking about a 3-1 type ratio where there would be $3 of spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases. or tax revenue increases. we were willing to come to the table and try to